Hi Objective truth,
I think this is what happens when the scales start falling from your eyes....
You start discovering new things, trying to piece them all togethor..
Hang in there,
Cha Ching
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The Good News of The Kingdom - Gods Plan for Salvation through the Ransom (Help Needed)
by objectivetruth inwhen i first began studying in order to "make the truth my own", there were a set of scriptures that perplexed me and motivated me to dig deeper.. the scriptures are regarding the resurrection of the inhabitants of sodom & gomorrah.. see jesus words here - matthew 10:15 - "truly i say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of sodom and gomorrah on judgment day than for that city.
" (ezekiel 16:48 / matthew 11:23 / matthew 11:24 / luke 10:12 ).
any time that i brought these scriptures up to jw friends and family they would reply like this "jesus was speaking in hyperbole.. that is why he said it would be more endurable".. i would clarify and show them that it says "will be".
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Lurking faithful JWs, here's a question for you to ponder on:
by Island Man inare you in 'the truth', or are you only in 'the current understanding'?.
how long will it be before many of the current teachings peculiar to the organization are rejected as old light and relegated to watchtower's dust bin of old light, out-of-print literature to be expunged from future issues of watchtower library cd-rom?.
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cha ching
Was it true that the sun revolved around the earth? or.... Is it true that the earth revolves around the sun?
Was one idea true, until someone became enlightened? or was it ever true? Was it a false idea?
"Galileo's championing of heliocentrism was controversial within his lifetime, when most subscribed to either geocentrism or the Tychonic system. [7] He met with opposition from astronomers, who doubted heliocentrism due to the absence of an observed stellar parallax. [7] The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was false and contrary to scripture, placing works advocating the Copernican system on the index of banned books and forbidding Galileo from advocating heliocentrism. [" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
When is truth, truth? When is false, false? When it becomes "new light"?
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I think the "Mediator" is changing....
by cha ching ini just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.
16 by the end of christs thousand.
year reign, the messianic kingdom will.
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cha ching
I guess the whole "Only the 144,000 have a mediator" because a "covenant" was made with them for a kingdom, always irritated me...
(1 Timothy 2:4-6) . . .whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times.
I would go round and round arguing that Jesus had to be the mediator for ALL men..... hours and hours....
and now? does it really matter?
The WT doublespeak can drive you crazy...... you are not allowed to be "logical," right?
Not that I believe them / it any more...
I guess I just like hearing the WT admit it....
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I think the "Mediator" is changing....
by cha ching ini just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.
16 by the end of christs thousand.
year reign, the messianic kingdom will.
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cha ching
Really?
Right now, the view is that only the 'annointed' have a "mediator" of a "new covenant.' Right?
So, I thought when they said "at the end of the thousand years" (on earth.... which is where people are now) there won't be a need for an intermediary... (That means us "earthlings" needed an intermediary before then)
Well, during the 1,000 years, the 144 have been in heaven....
Who is the "mediator" in between that time?
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I think the "Mediator" is changing....
by cha ching ini just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.
16 by the end of christs thousand.
year reign, the messianic kingdom will.
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cha ching
I just looked at the January 2014 WT Study Magazine, Page 16. Pgph 16
I think the WT is finally relenting...
Jeus WAS the "mediator" after all!
16 By the end of Christ’s Thousand
Year Reign, the Messianic Kingdom will
have achieved its purpose. Then Jesus
will hand the Kingdom over to his Father.
(Read 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.)
There will no longer be a need for an
intermediary between Jehovah and his
earthly children. All of God’s sons in
heaven and his children on earth will be
united with their heavenly Father as part
of his universal family.
15, 16. (a) What thrilling events will take
place during the Thousand Year Reign?
(b) What will be Jesus’ final act as Messianic
King, and what will that mean regarding Jehovah’s
purpose for all of his creation?
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I need help! Talk coming up and I need ideas fast!
by BU2B inomg i am so distressed.
i have a talk coming up on tuesday, it is the number 3 "abiram.
why opposing god appointed authority is tantamount to opposing god himself"!.
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cha ching
This is the theme, correct? "Why opposing God appointed authority is tantamount to opposing God himself"!"
Why not slightly change the end of your talk to not focus on "humans", but focus only on Jesus?
"Today as Christians, we follow Jesus. We should be loyal to the pattern Jesus laid out for humans to follow.
And as Galatians 1:8,9 brings out, we do not want to divert from the ORIGINAL good news that Christ taught. We today, just like in Moses day and the 1 st century need to be able to see proof of God approval when we follow any human's lead.
Jesus is the highest authority appointed by God.
Always look to Jesus' example when choosing which course to take, thus avoid any opposition to God."
(Looking forward to hearing how it goes :-)
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preaching and memorial question
by caroline77 ini asked a jw why most of them don't partake of the bread and wine at their memorial, and was told that the command was given to the disciples only.. at the end of matthew's gospel, the command is given to the 11 disciples to go out and preach to everyone, so why do those who don't take the bread and wine go out knocking doors preaching?.
surely if only the disciples can take the emblems then only the disciples should preach.. no explanation of where the 144,000 come into it was given.. .
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cha ching
Good question!!!
Why would the "annointed" need "other help"?
(Luke 19:40) . . .But in reply he said: "I tell YOU, If these remained silent, the stones would cry out."
Better yet.....
(Matthew 24:27) 27 For just as the lightning comes out of eastern parts and shines over to western parts, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
(Matthew 24:30) . . .And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.. . .
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I need help! Talk coming up and I need ideas fast!
by BU2B inomg i am so distressed.
i have a talk coming up on tuesday, it is the number 3 "abiram.
why opposing god appointed authority is tantamount to opposing god himself"!.
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cha ching
Yikes! Sounds like Nazi time again!
I like Blondies outline....
Your finishing line c/b:
"To oppose or not to oppose, that is the question.... "
The answer? "Not unless you are a brother or sister of the "authority"
cha ching!
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Is it all about the money?
by Laika inoften on this forum there are posts about how the gb are obsessed with money and some people here often suggest this impacts every decision the gb makes i.e.
on my holiday thread it was suggested jws aren't allowed to celebrate holidays as it means spending money on presents that they want for themselves.. i however, do not think this is at all true.
the society rarely talks about money and as a percentage of income i think the vast majority of jws contribute a very small amount simply because the society rarely talk about it.. obviously money is important to the society in the sense that they couldn't run a major organisation without it, so they have to ask for it at times and factor it in to some of their decision making, but actually the gb live quite frugally and seem to worry much more about clinging to their authority and power than getting rich.. my controversial suggestion of the day is that saying the gb are obsessed with money must make us look silly to lurkers.. what does the jwn intellegentsia think then?.
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cha ching
Money, money, money, MOOONey.... so the song goes...
Only $500__ per month? I am in the US, so let's say $200 per month x 50,000 congregations = $10,000,000 (ten million) a month!
That is 120 million a year!
Let alone, at each "Circuit Assembly" they would say "Oh, we need $6,000 more to cover our costs for this weekend (and the hall is paid off) and oh, by the way (at the end of the ass-embly) they would casually tell us "Oh, and the brothers voted, and the $5,000 left over from our expenses will be sent to the Society. Aren't we all happy?" ( wish I had $10,000 to write a check to them at the beginning of the Ass-embly just to see if they would still ask for $$$)
So, let's just say $5,000 x 50 weeks (out of a year) = $250,000 a year for one circuit in the US. If there are 100 circuits, you now have $25,000,000 a year!
I have been around a long while, and I remember when there were FEW requests for donations in the KM.
NOW, over the past few years I read in the "Kingdom" Ministry, there are parts on the meetings almost EVERY OTHER MONTH, that discuss How to make your will out so that the Society can inherit everything....
They offer their services (no need to hire a lawyer, "we'll tell you how to give us all your money") for free!!
Also, it is a very weird thing to see/hear them list all the different things you can "donate" when you die!
Quite audacious!
I was truly embarrasssed!!!!!!!!!!
cha ching, no more of MY bling!
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Critical Differences: JW's Today Vs The Past
by metatron injehovah's witnesses have always been a fringe, anti-intellectual movement, almost by definition.
there is nothing new about faddish health concerns, attitudes that ignore history and science or even beliefs that defy common sense ( false prophecy for what, 130+ years?).
however, there are two differences with jw's of the past that will prove critical for the survival of the organization today.. 1) poor financial conditions - in the past, it was possible to hold all sorts of nonsensical beliefs and still be a functional member of the human race, generally.
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cha ching
I think one of the most critical differences btwn JW's of "today" and "the past" is that today, JW's cannot explain their own beliefs... they do not know their own history...
Want a JW to explain 607? Why 1914 is soooo important? and if 1914 is wrong, what happens to 1919? Why is the date 1919 essential? Can they connect the dots?
Not if you gave them the dots........ and the pencil.......